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CBLDFNews

A Letter from the Director
The CBLDF is winning the fights that matter to your free speech.
We need your support now to keep up this good and important work.

Recent weeks have seen a flurry of free speech victories in
battles the Fund's been fighting:

On June 29, the Supreme Court upheld the ban on COPA, effectively
quashing a law that would chill protected speech on the Internet
and make the government more intrusive in how adults can read and
see the material they choose to view. The Fund was there, fighting
COPA from the start.

Last week, Washington state's violent video game law was struck
down. The law would have made it illegal to sell or rent games
depicting violence against uniformed law enforcement officers. The
court recognized video games as protected speech and declared that
violence is neither legally obscene nor harmful to minors. The
VSDA led the fight, which the Fund and our free speech allies
vigorously supported.

In the last season, we've also successfully held off the
enforcement of unconstitutional display laws in Arkansas and
Michigan that would effect how every retailer in those states
does business. We are moving ahead towards killing those laws
entirely.

This is the kind of advocacy work that comics needs in order to
be legally safe and creatively vibrant in these turbulent times.
To keep doing this work, the CBLDF urgently needs your continued
support. We need to you to join, either online at www.cbldf.org,
or at this week's Comic-Con International: San Diego. At the Con
there will be plenty of opportunities to support, from Saturday
night's gala auction, to signings at our booth (4504/4506), to
cool new t-shirts and premiums, including the return of Frank
Miller's Band-Aid tee. However you choose to support the Fund, it
will go a long way to helping us protect comics' free speech
rights.

There are new battles on the horizon, including John Ashcroft's
potentially unconstitutional recordkeeping requirements for adult
material as part of the Protect Act, and potential increases to
the DoJ's obscenity unit. We're keeping close watch on these and
other threats, but we can't fight them -- or even keep proper
watch on them -- unless we have the money we need to do so.

Support the CBLDF this week. Whether it's through membership,
premiums, or any other donation, your dollars help us fight the
important battles. Now is the time to support the fight.

Charles Brownstein,
Executive Director

CBLDF Benefit Auction
Comic-Con International: San Diego 2004
Saturday, July 24 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
Room 8

Every year the professional community rallies behind the CBLDF at
Comic-Con in San Diego to help us hold our best auction of the
year. This year we've got another full slate of amazing one-of-a-
kind pieces, all to be auctioned off by Defender of Liberty Chuck
Rozanski.

Some 60 items make up this year's benefit auction, with
highlights including:

* Jim Lee's Art Portfolio, with Batman and Joker sketch on back.
This is the ultimate item for any Jim Lee aficionado. It's the
portfolio that saw him through the transition from hot penciller
to Image founder to superstar innovator behind today's top
superhero comics. This is a one-of-a-kind item that is not to be
missed!
* John Romita, Jr, double page spread from Spider-Man #72. A
beautiful action cityscape penciled and inked by the master
craftsman of contemporary superhero comics.
* Alan Moore's Voice of the Fire, signed and numbered edition
#1/500. Alan Moore won't come to conventions, but he will support
the CBLDF by donating this coveted #1 edition of his debut novel,
published by Top Shelf Productions.
* Matt Wagner original art from Trinity!
* Batman limited variant edition action figure signed and
sketched by Jim Lee, Jim Mahfood , Darwyn Cooke, with signatures
from Brian Azzarello, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid, Lee Bermejo, and
Alex Ross.
* All this, plus original art, graphics, and more! Support the
cause and find some of the best deals on one-of-a-kind comics art
and collectibles at the CBLDF Benefit Auction!

Here's the full listing:

1. George Walker & Neil Gaiman, "Murder Mysteries" Woodcut,
signed & numbered, #31/50, donated by Biting Dog Press
(www.bitingdogpress.com)
2. art spiegelman, In the Shadow of No Towers, signed and
remarqued poster, donated by the artist
3. Tone Rodriguez, "Punisher & Citizen Pain" original pencil art
donated by the artist
4. Drew Johnson, Ray Snider, Wonder Woman #197 p. 21, original
art, donated by the artist
5. Phil Jiminez & J. Bone, "Catwoman," original drawing
donated by the artist
6. J. Bone, "Poison Ivy," original drawing, donated by the artist
7. Alan Moore, Voice of the Fire, Signed & Numbered edition,
1/500 donated by Top Shelf Productions (www.topshelfcomix.com)
8. Sean Shaw& Kevin Nowlan, Gen 13 Bootleg #16, p. 8, original
art, donated by Peter Koch
9. Wayne Boring, Davy Jones strip, original art, donated by Peter
Koch
10. Gene Colan, Tom Palmer, Dracula #59, p. 10, original art,
donated by Peter Koch
11. Stan Goldberg, Millie the Model #113, p. 2, original art,
donated by Peter Koch
12. John Romita, Jr., Spider-Man #72, p. 2-3, original art,
donated by Peter Koch
13. Michael Gaydos, Alias #23, p. 20, original art, also signed
by Brian Bendis donated by the artist
14. Jon Bean Hastings, The Thing "Thingie",
donated by the artist
15. J. Bone, Gabe Hernandez, original jam art
16. Jim Lee, portfolio, with sketch of Batman & the Joker
donated by the artist
17. Ewoks, framed original animation cel donated by Original
Cartoon Cels, Inc.
18. Batman variant edition toy, with sketches by Jim Lee, Jim
Mahfood , Darwyn Cooke, with signatures from Brian Azzarello,
Greg Rucka, Mark Waid, Lee Bermejo, and Alex Ross
19. Amazing Spider-Man #238, CGC 9.2, First Appearance Hobgoblin,
donated by Graham Crackers Comics (www.grahamcrackers.com)
20. Steve Lafler, Bughouse painting, donated by the artist
21. Jaime Hernandez, original cover art, SPX 2003,
donated by the artist
22. Neil Gaiman, "Notes on a Vegetable Theology," reproduced
script, signed by the author donated by Rick Veitch
23. Jimmie Gownley, Amelia Rules, original art
24. John Workman, "When Larry Met Allie," signed & numbered color
print, 1/2
25. Frank Miller, Harlan Ellison, Mephisto in Onyx, signed &
numbered edition, #665/1,000
26. Danny Hellman, "Darth Dubya," original art,
donated by the artist
27. Michael Zulli, "Your Painted Smile," original art,
donated by the artist
28. Jim Ray's Aviation Sketchbook, donated by Graham Crackers
Comics (www.grahamcrackers.com)
29. Uncle Scrooge #10, Dell, donated by Graham Crackers Comics
(www.grahamcrackers.com)
30. Uncle Scrooge & Donald Duck Giant #1, donated by Graham
Crackers Comics (www.grahamcrackers.com)
31. King Solomon's Mines, donated by Graham Crackers Comics
(www.grahamcrackers.com)
32. Perfect Love #3, donated by Graham Crackers Comics
(www.grahamcrackers.com)
33. Talent Caldwell, Peter David, "Incredible Hulk Donation Can"
34. JG Jones, Todd Nauck, Dave Johnson, Donation Can jam
35. Mike Mignola, "Hellboy" donation can, original drawing
36. Kent Williams, Dave McKean, Jon J Muth, donation can original
jam
37. George Perez, Fantastic Four donation can drawing
38. Mike Weiringo& Karl Kesel, Fantastic Four #69, p. 2, original
art
39. Frank Cho, Sketches & Scribbles, Signed & Numbered
#1866/2000, donated by Baltimore Comicon,
www.baltimorecomicon.com)
40. Michael Avon Oeming, Powers original art
41. JK Snyder III, Bernie Mireault, Matt Wagner, Grendel: God and
the Devil, 5 page original art lot, donated by Matt Wagner
42. Darwyn Cooke & Khoi, Jam drawing
43. Lee Bermejo, Mike Norton, "Superheroes Gone Wild" Jam drawing
44. Neil Gaiman, Ted Naifeh, Mike Norton, Buzz, Sandman Jam
drawing.
45. George Walker & Neil Gaiman, woodcut image from "A Writer's
Prayer," #6/85, signed by the artist and Gaiman.
46. Bernie Wrightson & Mike Mignola, "The First Challenge,"
signed and numbered print, #87/300, donated by Allen Spiegel Fine
Arts (www.allenspiegelfinearts.com)
47. Jeffrey Jones, "Belling the Slayer" signed and numbered
print, #49/500, donated by Allen Spiegel Fine Arts
(www.allenspiegelfinearts.com)
48. Jon J. Muth, "The Starling," signed and numbered print,
#209/250, donated by Allen Spiegel Fine Arts
(www.allenspiegelfinearts.com)
49. Charles Vess, "Dryad's Song," signed and numbered print,
#462/500, donated by Allen Spiegel Fine Arts
(www.allenspiegelfinearts.com)
50. Jackson Guice, Captain's Reverie, signed and numbered print
#15/300, donated by Allen Spiegel Fine Arts
(www.allenspiegelfinearts.com)
51. Jon J. Muth, Joan of Arc, signed print, donated by Allen
Spiegel Fine Arts (www.allenspiegelfinearts.com)
52. Peter Bagge, Sweatshop #1, original pencil rough of cover,
donated by the artist
53. Jon Bean Hastings, "The Sandman" Thingie, original art,
signed by the artist and Neil Gaiman, donated by the artist.
54. Garth Ennis, Punisher #32, original script, donated by the
author.
55. Larry Marder, "Beanworld," original drawing, donated by the
artist
56. Darick Robertson, "The Hulk," original drawing, donated by
the artist
57. Colleen Coover, "Nibbil," original color drawing, donated by
the artist
58. Matt Camp, "Savage Dragon," original drawing, donated by the
artist
59. Neil Gaiman & George Walker, "The Writer's Prayer," woodcut
poem and art, signed and numbered 85/150, donated by Diana Schutz
60. Matt Wagner, "Trinity," original art, donated by the artist.

The CBLDF needs your support at San Diego, and to get it we're
rolling out all the stops. From superstar signings, to our biggest
auction of the year, to the return of t-shirts you demanded and
all new prints, we're offering you some of the best opportunities
you'll ever have to reward yourself while supporting free speech.
Visit us at 4504/4506 and see all of the following:

Signings!

Thursday:

2-3 PM: Greg Rucka -- The acclaimed author of Queen and Country
and Wonder Woman

3-4 PM: John Totleben -- The visionary artist who breathed divine
life into Alan Moore's Miracleman signs to benefit the Fund.

Friday:
12-1 PM: Judd Winick -- The creatively versatile author of Barry
Ween, Batman, and much more shows his support at this signing

1-2 PM: Jim Valentino -- Valentino premieres his brand new
Normalman anniversary issue here and his all-new Captain
Everything print to benefit the CBLDF

4-5 PM: Matt Wagner -- The creator of Grendel & Mage, and the
author of Trinity signs to benefit the Fund.

5-6:30: Jim Lee -- The bestselling superstar artist signs your
books to benefit the Fund. Limit 3 books per person, please.

Saturday:

1:00 - 3:00 PM: Jim Lee & Brian Azzarello -- This is the big one!
The team behind DC's bestselling Superman sign to benefit the
Fund. Limit three signatures per person. You'll also be able to
get Brian Azzarello drawings, a CBLDF exclusive!

Sunday:
1:00 - 2:00 PM: Jim Valentino -- Stop by to pick up one of the
great new Captain Everything prints!

More signers to be announced, so stop by often
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Events!

In addition to these signings, you can find out the latest in the
Fund's Free Speech battles at the CBLDF panel on Sunday from 12-1
in room 7B. Charles Brownstein, Denis Kitchen, Louise Nemschoff,
and other members of the CBLDF board will be there to give you
the skinny and to make an important announcement about the future
of the Fund.
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Items!

While you're at the booth, be sure to pick up these new items:

T-Shirts:

Frank Miller Band-Aid tee shirt -- Out of print for three years
and back because you demanded it, we have the all new printing of
Frank Miller's Band-Aid tee shirt. The new design features
Miller's evocative art on the front, without any distracting text
and a bold "Fight Censorship!" logo on the back.

Bratpack -- Back in print at last, Rick Veitch's superb Dr.
Blasphemy shirt. Fight censorship in style with this cool item!

Hellboy -- Back in stock! Mike Mignola's signature creation
fights the grip of censorship in this popular style.

Fancy Froglin -- Our most popular shirt is back in print with
a "Fight Censorship" logo now emblazoned on the back. "I am
wearing little pants to hide my genitals," Fancy declares, "It is
the law!" A perfect shirt for any fun occasion.

Prints:

Captain Everything -- Jim Valentino's most "super" hero stands on
a mountain with the flag behind him declaring proudly, "This is
America, We Can Do Anything!" A funny print perfect for your
favorite smart aleck.

Mickey v. The Courts -- Rich Koslowski's editorial cover of
Busted! finds its way onto this high quality CBLDF print.

Billy Dogma Busted! -- Dean Haspiel's signature character is
being dragged away in cuffs by the Undercolor Cop in front of the
capital. A great color print by one of today's most talented indy
artists.
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From: aharlib@earthlink.net

Dear David,
Here is an article I think newsletter readers will really enjoy!
Cheers!

Amy

Comic Book Villains Are Made, Not Born

http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/arts/bal-
as.movies27jun27,1,6725134.story

It's good to be bad

One cruel scientific accident - and finding a superhero to hate
- can turn an ordinary guy into a magnificent movie villain.

By Chris Kaltenbach
Sun Movie Critic

Let's hear it for the bad guys. They may be vile, they may be
despicable, they may be nasty people who deserve every misfortune
that comes their way. But without them, heroes would never have
the chance to be heroic, and then where would popular culture be?

And while we're at it, let's be honest - they're fun to watch,
often more fun than the good guys we're supposed to root for.
Admit it: Who would you rather sit down and have a beer with,
Batman or The Joker?

"I would venture to say that the villain is even more important
than the good guy," says Joe Queseda, editor-in-chief of Marvel
Comics, publishers of Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil and about a
dozen other superhero titles that either have been or are about to
be made into movies. "Often, it's the villains the fans are really
anxious to see." But what makes a great bad guy, an adversary both
powerful and compelling enough to challenge the superheroes of the
comic book and movie worlds? What separates a common mugger from a
guy with the means and ambition to rule the world? Is it enough
just to be nasty, or are superpowers a prerequisite? Can anyone
with a ray gun take on Batman and make audiences care? Can any
mutant or victim of science-gone-awry make Spider-Man quake in his
boots - and audiences quake with him?

No, both comic and movie writers agree, it takes more than just
brains or brawn or even bad attitude to create a villain that will
keep superhero fans coming back for more. The best bad guys, it
seems, are made, not born. "It's not like someone gets up in the
morning and says, 'I'm going to conquer the world today,' " says
Avi Arad, chief creative officer for Marvel

Enterprises, charged with overseeing the comic-book company's film
and television projects. "A comic-book villain cannot be born as
a villain; he must be a victim of circumstances, someone who's
been given a curse, or some tragedy, or power. A hero is being
given a gift and uses it for the good of mankind; a villain will
take the same gift, or curse, and use it against mankind."

Latest evil genius

On Wednesday, when Spider-Man 2 opens on about a gazillion movie
screens nationwide, one of comicdom's most extraordinary villains
makes the transition from paper to celluloid. Nuclear scientist
Otto Octavius was a scientific genius, dedicated to the betterment
of mankind, until a horrific accident (there are no minor
accidents in the comics pages) leaves him with four additional
limbs, each with a serious attitude problem, each extraordinarily
powerful. Re-christened Dr. Octopus - Doc Ock for short - he soon
embarks on a murderous rampage that only Spidey can hope to stop.

"Dr. Octopus was a conscious effort on my part to try something
different," says legendary comics creator Stan Lee, who
introduced Octavius in issue No. 3 of The Amazing Spider-Man back
in 1963. "He started out just being a normal scientist, and then I
had my usual scientific accident, and there we go."

Prospects for the twisted Dr. Octavius to make a lasting
impression on movie audiences look pretty good. The first
Spider-Man enjoyed the fifth-highest U.S. box-office gross of all
time (with domestic receipts totaling $403.7 million); the cast
that helped make the earlier film so memorable remains intact; and
director Sam Raimi had more time and more money to lavish on his
creation this go-round. Spider-Man 2 should prove a monster hit,
meaning that Doc Ock will have little trouble joining the ranks of
indelible comic-book villains who have successfully made the
transition to the big screen.

What a roster of bad guys he joins. There's The Joker, who made
Batman's life so miserable; Catwoman, the feline femme fatale who
left both the Caped Crusader's and audience's hearts racing in
Batman Returns, the second Batman film; the fright-masked Green
Goblin, who plagued Spider-Man; Magneto, nemesis to the X-Men; and
evil genius Lex Luthor, arch-rival of Superman.

Plus, coming to movie screens next year are two supervillains that
comics fans have been salivating over for years. The Scarecrow, a
connoisseur of fear who has long been one of the comics' most
horrific bad guys, is at the center of the next Batman film (with
Christian Bale donning the cape and bat ears), while perennial fan
favorite Dr. Doom, egomaniacal ruler of the mysterious Balkan
kingdom of Latveria, will take on the Fantastic Four. "I'm really
excited to see what they do with Dr. Doom," says Queseda. "I have
some idea what they're doing, but he just seems so cool, I just
can't wait."

It's alive!

It wasn't so long ago that screenwriters and directors adapting
comic-book characters to film were limited in what they could do
logistically. It's no accident that the best of the Superman films
used the brainy Lex Luthor as its main villain; all that was
required was a bald guy who could use lots of big words. (It
didn't hurt, of course, that Gene Hackman played him to perfection
as a comic, but not too comic, foil for the guy from Krypton.) Doc
Ock, for instance, would have been almost impossible without
computer-generated special effects (the filmmakers also used
puppeteers, but don't worry, Octavius is no Muppet). Likewise,
Magneto's fearsome magnetic powers would have looked pretty hokey
filmed against a conventional blue-screen.

"With today's technology, we can bring life to any villain," says
Marvel's Arad. By way of proof, he offers that the new Silver
Surfer movie will feature an appearance by Galactus, a devourer of
planets who tends to dwarf entire solar systems. "We played with
that, and we found a way to do it," he says, declining to provide
any details. "It's one we thought would be very difficult to do,
but we found a way that is very exciting for us."

Which means the only limitation is on the writers' imaginations,
and the public's willingness to buy into it. Like most of the
great adversaries who made the transition, Dr. Doom has a long
history with the Fantastic Four. The heroes acquired their powers
- one can stretch like a rubber band, one can turn invisible, one
can burst into flame and one is a walking pile of bricks - after
an unexpected encounter with cosmic radiation. They've been going
at one another for more than 40 years, but even that's not tops
when it comes to super-powered grudges; The Joker and Batman first
butted heads in 1940.

"There's like a 50-year-old mythos that we kept sort of wanting
to go back to, rather than get too wild," says screenwriter Lee
Batchler, who, with his wife, Janet Scott Batchler, penned the
script for Batman Forever, where the bad guys were both mainstays
of the comic-book franchise, The Riddler and Two-Face. "It's such
a fun world." Adds David Hayter, who worked on the screenplays
for both X-Men and its sequel, X2, "Over the course of a comic
book's life, you will find that one villain in particular keeps
coming up, that the writers keep finding interesting things for
them to do. You have to ask yourself, 'Who's the iconic villain
here?' For us, it was Magneto."

Order and chaos

But surely, it's not just familiarity that breeds success when it
comes to great bad guys.

"For me, what always makes for a great villain is a character who
is as close as humanly possible to the hero, either in background
or in character history and character arc," says Marvel's
Queseda, "the big difference between the two of them being that
one took a big step to the right, one a big step to the left. ...
The villain needs to be almost identical to the hero."

This explains why Spider-Man, once a nerdy high-school science
whiz named Peter Parker, keeps going up against mad scientists
like Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina's Doc Ock) or Norman Osborn
(Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin), or why the mutants who form the
X-Men keep facing down renegade mutant Magneto.

In the case of Batman, The Joker serves as a funhouse perversion
of everything the superhero and his alter ego, Bruce Wayne, stand
for. "In some ways, the best villains are a dark image of the
superhero," says Dan DiDio, who as DC Comics' vice president of
editorial oversees that company's superpowered universe (which
includes the granddaddies of the genre, Superman and Batman).

"Look at Batman and The Joker - it's a force for order vs. a force
for chaos. The worst thing about The Joker is the randomness of
everything he does. It's hard for anybody to build an ordered
structure while there is random chaos about you."

It's also important that the bad guys not be all bad; their
villainy has to arise from something other than arbitrary
nastiness. Both Doc Ock and the Green Goblin, for instance, are
scientists who have watched their life's work go horribly awry.
And while Magneto is a superpowered mutant just like the X-Men,
he's grown tired of being perse-cuted because he's different.
Rather than use his power to help the world, he's opted to conquer
it instead. Shouldn't the most powerful, he argues, be the ones
who rule?

"If you were sitting in a bar with Magneto and listening to his
argument," says Queseda, "you're going to walk away either saying,
'I'm on your side,' or, 'I see your point, but I don't agree with
you.' "

As Arad explains it: "You have to see the humanity in the
villain; otherwise, he's just a monster."

That said, it's not enough that the villain be sympathetic, or
that he be powerful, or that he be colorful. He should have an ax
to grind - and not just against humanity as a whole. The best
super-villains hold serious grudges against even the mightiest
superheroes.

"Look at Superman and Lex Luthor," says DC's DiDio. "Superman is
this omnipresent being who's extremely powerful, and Luthor is
basically an average man. His intense hatred of Superman is what
drives him. He uses all his money, all his skills, all his
knowledge against the world, all because of his intense hatred
against Superman."

The master's word

Permit Stan Lee to have the last word - appropriate, since he
helped create just about every supervillain in the Marvel
universe. Dr. Doom, Magneto, Dr. Octopus, the Green Goblin -
they're all his. He's the last of the giants who helped steer the
comic book through its infancy in the 1940s, and more than anyone
is the man responsible for their resurgence in the early 1960s.

For him, the answer to what makes for a great villain is
disarmingly simple - great writing.

"I have a theory: that you can make anybody work well in a book or
on the screen, if you write them the right way. You can take any
character and make him interesting, if you think about it
enough."

Lee talks with a father's pride about his creations, refusing to
play favorites. And while there are certain tricks to the trade
he's learned over the years, he insists that making supervillains
supercompelling is pretty basic.

"You try to make them interesting and believable," he says from
the California offices of POW! Entertainment, where he serves as
chief creative officer and oversees projects in all major media.
"You try to give them interesting personalities and make them
somewhat unique, so that people will want to spend some time with
them."

Come Wednesday, when Spider-Man and Doc Ock show up at your
friendly neighborhood movie screens, that shouldn't prove a
problem.

The article below from NYTimes.com
has been sent to you by aharlib@earthlink.net.

Fabulous article I hope you will want to post in the next
newsletter.
Vibes and hugs - Amy

aharlib@earthlink.net

Not Funnies

July 11, 2004
By CHARLES McGRATH

You can't pinpoint it exactly, but there was a moment when people
more or less stopped reading poetry and turned instead to novels,
which just a few generations earlier had been considered
entertainment suitable only for idle ladies of uncertain morals.
The change had surely taken hold by the heyday of Dickens and
Tennyson, which was the last time a poet and a novelist went head
to head on the best-seller list. Someday the novel, too, will go
into decline -- if it hasn't already -- and will become, like
poetry, a genre treasured and created by just a relative few. This
won't happen in our lifetime, but it's not too soon to wonder what
the next new thing, the new literary form, might be.

It might be comic books. Seriously. Comic books are what novels
used to be -- an accessible, vernacular form with mass appeal --
and if the highbrows are right, they're a form perfectly suited to
our dumbed-down culture and collective attention deficit. Comics
are also enjoying a renaissance and a newfound respectability
right now. In fact, the fastest-growing section of your local
bookstore these days is apt to be the one devoted to comics and
so-called graphic novels. It is the overcrowded space way in the
back -- next to sci-fi probably, or between New Age and hobbies --
and unless your store is staffed by someone unusually devoted,
this section is likely to be a mess. ''Peanuts'' anthologies, and
fat, catalog-size collections of ''Garfield'' and ''Broom Hilda.''
Shelf loads of manga -- those Japanese comic books that feature
slender, wide-eyed teenage girls who seem to have a special
fondness for sailor suits. Superheroes, of course, still churned
out in installments by the busy factories at Marvel and D.C. Also,
newer sci-fi and fantasy series like ''Y: The Last Man,'' about
literally the last man on earth (the rest died in a plague), who
is now pursued by a band of killer lesbians.

CLICK HERE FOR THE REST OF THE STORY

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/11/magazine/11GRAPHIC.html?ex=
1090648355&ei=1&en=98dd5e527b134c24
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