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From: Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jul 7, 2005  
Subject: Bapu, save us from ourselves, O Bapu ! > Re: [indiathinkersnet] Condemn attack on Ayodhya


Bapu O Bapu . . bachavi lo humne, . . . humara thi

Bapu, save us from ourselves, O Bapu !

A BILLION + SOULS of INDIA, APPEAL & PLEAD; TO MILLIONS OF GODS & GODDESSES FOR SUCCOUR & REPROVE.

GODS CAN'T STOP STARVATION DEATHS,

NOR CHILD PROSTITUTION UNDER THE RELIGIOUS GARB OF DEVDASI SYSTEM,

NOR WIDOW MURDER UNDER THE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM OF SATI,

nor can all the prayers stop the Mayhem & lift this country out of the mire of corruption & human misery,

because . . . . . . . our sins & stupidity overwhelms & out weighs our prayers.

PONDER !!!

Parvez Jamasji http://www.geocities.com/siafdu/vc81.html

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Voice Of The Exploited <voiceoftheexploited@...> wrote:
The Editor,
The Examiner,
Mumbai

Dear Sir,

VOICE OF THE EXPLOITED (VOTE) hereby vehemently condemns the attack on Ram Janambhoomi Temple at Ayodhya by terrorists, who were out to destabilize the communal harmony. Kudos to personnel of the Central Reserve Police Force and the Uttar Pradesh police for effectively combating the 5 terrorists, subsequently killing them thus saving lot of embarrassment to the administration.

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From: Yugal Rayalu <yugalrayalu@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jul 7, 2005
Subject: Re: [indiathinkersnet] PRESS RELEASE: THE DRESS CODE DICTUM  

Dress Code

A School or a college is a temle of learning not a fasion ramp! Discipline in every aspect is very important for a place of learning. As a lecturer in a college in Nagpur we are slowly feeling the negative impact of the TV culture.

We have discussed the issue of decent dressing in the college with the students council of our college. There was a unanimity in the meeting that a decent dress is necessary for any place of learning. Most important fact is that the students want a dress code for girls and boys both. In absence of a dress code the the rich students flash their wealth unnecessarily.

The scewed modern fashion creates a big chasm between the students of the city and those who come from villages. We do support a dress code for schools and colleges, not an enforced one but with mutual consent. And yes we do support a dress code even for the staff!

Yugal Rayalu
Lecturer, HOD,
Vocational Department
Dharampeth Science College
Ambazari,NAGPUR

"Training Initiative, ICHRL" <training@...> wrote:
Women's Justice Initiative,
India Centre for Human Rights and Law CEHAT
4th floor CVOD Jain School Survey no. 2804-05

84, Samuel Street, Aram Society Road, Vakola

Dongri, Mumbai - 09 Santacruz (e), Mumbai - 55



PRESS RELEASE





THE DRESS CODE DICTUM



The recent discussion to impose a dress code on colleges of the University in Mumbai is ludicrous in itself, but the reasoning behind such policy is simply an attempt to discredit years of fighting for gender equality. Vice Chancellor of Mumbai University Prof. Vijay Khole's remarks that " After the Marine Drive rape case, we think scantily clothed students could be o

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From: Yugal Rayalu <yugalrayalu@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jul 7, 2005
Subject: Re: [indiathinkersnet] Zafarul Islam Khan: Imrana Case??¦Rape of Truth in India  

The marxists and the secularists are not discussing whether a rape has occured or not. We are discussing the disgusting "Fatwa" issued. The victim is punished and the criminal is allowed to go free. By this logic of this fatwa a woman raped by a man should be treated as his wife. This means a man can easily spoil a womans life simply by force. Whereas we look at the rape as crime. not as a matter of pure or impure. We do not want to get embroiled in the debate of Haram and Halal. We are just concerned about justice. If a rape has occured, the criminal must be punished and the victim must get justice.

We are here questioning the right of a group to declare Fatwa. What is then the role of judiciary if a maulawi some where can pronounce a judgement. Asking imrana to leave her husband amounts to giving a judgement. Where will she go? Who will feed her children? Have the people who have givin the fatwa , clarified these things? And finally what fatwa have they given to the rapist?

yogi sikand <ysikand@...> wrote:
Imrana Case??¦Rape of Truth in India (Special Report)

Imrana pleading to be left alone. (Reuters)


By Zafarul-Islam Khan, IOL Correspondent

NEW DELHI, July 4, 2005 (IslamOnline.net) - The alleged rape of a Muslim woman by her father-in-law in an obscure Indian village has, once again, proved the mighty role ??“ vicious as it may be ??“ the media could play in our lives.

The case that has shaken India, grabbed headlines worldwide and caused secularists, feminists, communists and extremist Hindus to cry out  


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From: Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jul 7, 2005
Subject: Condolences & symphaties for the Victims of Terrorist attack on London 07/07/2005  

Please convey our heartfelt condolences & sympathies to the families of the Victims of the London terror attack.
Our solidarity is with all the people of London the UK.

The perpetrators & their instigators, the Mullahs; have been encouraged by noble, though misplaced; human rights & the askewed application of the Rule of Law for & on behalf of the people who don't care two hoots for that same Rule of Law.

I must congratulate the upcoming Immigration Policy that desires all illegals & also moles to be rooted out & deported, ruthlessly; for safety & security of all law abiding people

This should be applicable worldwide to safeguard their civilised way of life.

Forget at one's peril the Pan Islamic Federation agenda.

Deport all suspects, some may be innocent; so that pressure can be mounted from within Muslim society to unmask the perpetrators &\or such ideologues.

Thank you for your time.

God give strength to the families of the victims & people of the UK.

Best Wishes

Parvez Jamasji
http://www.geocities.com/siafdu/vc81.html

E : parvez1942@...
: parvezjamasji@...

Tel : 91-22-2412 1656 > 9 am to 9 pm = GMT + 5 1/2 hrs.
Mob : 91 - 98208 13951
Dadar, Bombay - 400 014, India

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From: Sukla Sen <suklasen@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jul 7, 2005
Subject: PMI Statement on Ayodhya Attack and Subsequent Violence  


The People??™s Media Initiative (PMI) notes with serious
concern the criminal and foolhardy attempt by a
five-member suicide squad, of yet undetermined
identity, to blast the makeshift Ram temple built
illegally in December 1992 at the site of the
demolished Babri masjid.

The PMI also takes grave note of the vicious response
of the Sangh Brigade to the unfortunate event. Making
mockery of his claim to ???moderation??™, L K Advani, the
two-in-one ??“ BJP president and the opposition leader,
has almost reflexively claimed that the failed attack
has brought the Ram temple issue back to the centre
stage. That the popular response to the event in no
way substantiates the claim of the arguably principal
villain of Babri demolition is, however, greatly
reassuring.
Similarly pathetic is the demand made by the senior
BJP leader, Jaswant Singh ??“ another ???moderate??™, asking
for the resignation of the Union Home Minister and the
UP Chief Minister on the ground of alleged ???security
lapse??™. He is not in the least troubled by the fact
that his government was guilty of far far greater
lapses when intruders from across the border, over
months, burrowed themselves in the mountains of Kargil
posing grave security threat to Indian territory
eventually resulting in huge losses in terms of money
and, more importantly, human lives. Nor he remembers
that it is during their rule the Indian parliament
house was assaulted in full public view while in
session. The bloodletting in the Akshardham Temple in
Gandhinagar, which went on for hours, does not also
appear to bother him at all.
What, however, is most disturbing is the role of the
monkey brigade. The way the VHP has unsuccessfully
tried to stir up passion and organised numerous
attacks on Muslim religious places in BJP-ruled states
is highly condemnable.

We congratulate the people of India for rejecting
their Bandh call with the contempt that it duly
deserved. We also ask the government of India, and UP,
to institute a thorough probe into the attack and mete
out exemplary punishment to those responsible for it
and the subsequent attempted violence nationwide.

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From: yogi sikand <ysikand@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Jul 7, 2005
Subject: Book Review: Madrasa Education in India  ysikand

Book Review





Madrasas in India: Trying to Be Relevant

Editor: Akhtarul Wasey

Publisher: Global Media Publications, New Delhi (mail@...)

Year: 2005

Price: Rs. 300 (India), $15 (Elsewhere)

ISBN: 81-88869-10-4

Reviewed by: Yoginder Sikand



Although madrasas have been much in the news in recent years, little serious academic writing on the Indian madrasas, numbering several thousands, is available. This book, despite its serious limitations, is a valuable contribution to the ongoing debate on madrasa education. A collection of articles of disparate quality, some academic and serious, others journalistic and somewhat shoddy, the book provides a broad overview of the history and present condition of Islamic education in India, focussing particularly on the question of madrasa reforms.



In his introduction to the book, Akhtarul Wasey, professor of Islamic Studies at the Jamia Millia Islamia, locates the salience of madrasas in the context of the importance that Islam places on knowledge. He points out that the Qur??™an makes no division between ???worldly??™ and ???religious??™ knowledge, seeing knowledge as a comprehensive whole. Hence, he says, the distinction that contemporary madrasas make between these two forms of knowledge is ???un-Islamic??™ and must be done away with. This is the rationale that he employs to argue the case for the teaching of modern natural and social sciences in the madrasas. Wasey makes several other suggestions for madrasa reform, including promoting discussion and debate in place of blind conformity, providing technical skills to students and helping promote better relations between madrasas and the ???ulama or clerics of the different Muslim sects. To promote these reforms he calls for the setting up of a central body to which all madrasas should be
affiliated. Instead of individual madrasas??™ collecting their own donations, this body would receive funds from the public and would disburse it to the madrasas depending on their performance. This, however, is easier said than done, and Wasey does not tell us how the opposition that this move is bound to generate among many ???ulama could be dealt with. Nor does he refer to the unimaginable bureaucratic wrangles that such a body might give rise to.



Reforms in the madrasa system is the focus of Muhammad Arshad??™s paper. He refers to the halting efforts by some madrasas to include modern social and natural sciences in their curriculum, noting that these have not been very effective. This does not mean, he says, that the majority of the ???ulama are opposed to curricular reform. Yet, Arshad argues, the managers of the madrasas must be convinced that reforms are necessary in order for them to retain their relevance and to train ???ulama who are familiar with the wider society. He suggests that one way that madrasas can bridge the dualism between ???secular??™ and ???religious??™ knowledge with minimum disruption is by affiliating themselves to the state-sponsored open school system, which would allow their students to pursue ???modern??™ education along with their religious training.

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