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Subject: [India Thinkers Net]Interview with Zakia Jowher -Action Aid - August22, 2005



From: yogi sikand <ysikand@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Aug 22, 2005 Subject: Interview: Zakia Jowher on Gujarat Communal Situation and Anti-Fascist Struggle  

Zakia Jowher is a senior fellow with Action Aid in
Ahmedabad, Gujarat. In this interview with Yoginder
Sikand she talks about efforts to promote communal
harmony and secure justice for the victims of the 2002
state-sponsored anti-Muslim carnage in Gujarat.

Q: Action Aid is one of the few NGOs in Gujarat to
have taken the issue of the struggle against
communalism seriously. In this regard, what sort of
work has it been engaged in?

A: Action Aid came to Gujarat in 2001, in the wake of
the devastating earthquake in Kutch. Before this we
used to work with local partners. During the 2002
genocide we worked along with several other NGOs and
citizens??™ groups in providing relief to thousands of
Muslims who had been driven from their homes and
forced to take refuge in the camps. In the course of
working in the camps we devised a campaign, Aman
Samudaya, involving peace volunteers, whom we call
Aman Pathiks, who worked to provide relief materials,
medicines and psycho-social counselling to people in
the camps, as well as to help them present their
claims for compensation. We formed teams of two Aman
Pathiks each, one a Muslim and the other a Dalit, and
they worked together in the camps. In this way we
wanted to bring Muslims and Dalits, the prime victims
of the carnage, to come together. We managed to get
around two hundred Aman Pathiks to work in the camps,
but once the camps were closed their number was
substantially reduced. Thereafter, through the Aman
Samudaya, the family of Aman Pathiks, we helped
several hundred riot-affected families to set up small
businesses and provided them means of livelihood.

Q: What work is the Aman Samuday presently engaged in?

A: The Aman Samuday is now active in seven locations
in Amedabad city as well as in the Panchmahals,
Sabarkantha, Baroda and Dahod districts, all of which
are very communally sensitive areas. The Aman Pathiks
are engaged in peace activism in their own ways. One
way is by working with impoverished Muslim and Dalit
communities for common social purposes. So, some Aman
Pathiks in Ahmedabad and Godhra have helped mobilise
Muslims and Dalits living in slums to protest against
demolitions of their homes by the municipal
authorities or in taking out joint rallies on Dr.
Ambedkar??™s birthday or, as recently, protesting
against police atrocities on striking workers in
Gurgaon. Last May Day some of Aman Pathiks helped
mobilise workers??™ unions and other deprived
communities, including even burkha-clad Muslim women,
all carrying red flags in a large demonstration
through the streets of Ahmedabad. Through such common
actions we believe one can build bridges between the
different marginalised communities who have to face
the brunt of communal violence and atrocities
committed by the various state authorities. Other
Aman Pathiks have staged street plays on the theme of
communal harmony and the politics of communalism, and
have organised other functions, such as Eid Milans,
Raksha Bandhan celebrations and joint cricket matches
to bring the youth from the different communities
together. Others are working among women, mainly
Muslims and Dalits, trying to promote awareness of
women??™s rights. In some villages, Aman Pathiks have
helped Muslims, who had fled and whose houses were
burnt down, to return. As part of our efforts to
mobilise marginalsied communities for their rights we
arranged for a group of some 2000 people from Gujarat,
mostly Tribals, Muslims and Dalits, to participate in
the World Dignity Forum in Delhi. One woman Aman
Pathik, Nasib Shaikh, several of whose family members
were killed in the carnage, has even been nominated
for the alternate Noble Peace Prize that is
collectively given to a thousand women around the
world this year.

The Aman Samuday is also involved in the Godhra
Gaurav, a network of more than 20 civil society
organisations working for peace, harmony and justice
in Gujarat. These include Dalit, Hindu and Muslim
groups as well as NGOs, including such organisations
as the Nirankari Mission and the Rationalist Humanist
Association. Godhra Gaurav works in a very difficult
environment??”in Godhra town, which is communally almost
completely polarised. It recently organised a
satyagraha opposing the recent violence in the town on
the occasion of the Ganesh Yatra, taking out a peace
rally of Hindus, Dalits and Muslims through the
streets. In order to bring people from different
communities together it has organised a series of
events, such as garba dance programmes during
Navratri, ghazal and qawwali programmes, street
theatres, a mehndi competition for girls and a mixed
Hindu-Muslim-Dalit cricket match. It has also taken up
common issues, such as the plight of sanitation
workers or slum dwellers, with the district
authorities.


Q: In other words, Action Aid and Aman Samuday seems
to be moving from a purely development-based approach
to rights-based approach. Is that correct?

A: Exactly. Action Aid is one of the few international
donor agencies that has adopted a distinct rights??™
based approach. It is obvious that communalism must
also be countered at the political level, and what we
are trying to do is to strengthen certain non-party
political processes, politics here being understood in
a wider sense. We have to intervene at the public
level in order to carry forward the struggle against
fascism. We cannot act in the usual NGO style
service-delivery mode. That won??™t really change
anything. NGOs cannot be a substitute for peoples??™
struggles. We need mobilisation on the streets, not
merely seminars in hotels, which is how most NGOs
operate.

By trying to mobilise Muslims, Dalits and other
marginalised sections and concerned groups to
intervene in the public sphere we are seeking to
promote a broad alliance against fascism and to
strengthen local level alternative leadership. Thus,
for instance, in March 2004, just before the upcoming
elections, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad began a Trishul
Diksha campaign in Godhra to distribute lethal
tridents to Hindus in the town. Our Aman Pathiks,
along with other members of the Godhra Gaurav,
protested against this to the district collector and
sent a letter to the Election Commission and to the
National Human Rights Commission demanding a ban on
the VHP??™s programme. However, no action was taken. So,
to register our protest we organised a Gulab Dikhsha
or flower distribution programme as a symbolic counter
to the VHP??™s programme on the same day as the latter
was held. We organised a march through the streets of
Godhra, distributing flowers to onlookers, shouting
slogans in favour of communal harmony. Many more
people attended our programme than the event held by
the VHP. Our point was that if some people can
mobilise public support for an ideology based on hate
and violence, why cannot we mobilise the public to
come out in favour of peace and justice?

Another move that we have made as part of the rights??™
based approach is our involvement in the ongoing
struggle to secure justice for numerous innocent
Muslims detained by the state under the draconian POTA
law. We have been working with like-minded groups
through the Gujarat Jan Andolan, an anti-fascist and
anti-globalisation alliance of peoples??™ movements, to
provide legal aid and psycho-social support to some
POTA cases and to pressurise the Supreme Court to
order the reinvestigation of some 2000 cases that were
summarily closed. We have organized numerous
demonstrations for justice for the victims of the
carnage, for stern punishment to its perpetrators and,
through our documentation and legal intervention, have
sought to highlight the massive violation of human
rights in Gujarat, which still continues. Of course
the struggle on the legal front is really an uphill
battle, when the state itself is completely controlled
by fascist forces, as in Gujarat today. Hardly any
convictions have been pronounced in the over 4000
cases related to the carnage, and it appears that the
vast majority of the victims are doomed to remain
without justice.



Q: What do you feel about the ways most NGOs responded
to the genocide of 2002?

A: The difference between the massive support extended
by NGOs and other civil society groups during the
Kutch earthquake of 2001 and the anti-Muslim genocide
a year later is really striking. Relatively few
non-Muslim NGOs helped out in the relief and
rehabilitation, and now hardly any NGOs are working
for communal harmony or against Hindutva fascism. Most
of those who helped out with relief work have gone
back to their core areas of work??”economic development,
gender issues or enviromental protection or whatever.
I cannot think of a single NGO whose major concern is
the struggle for communal harmony and resisting
Hindutva. Many local Gujarati NGOs are quite
right-wing, I think, and so obviously do not see this
as an issue at all. Also, very few NGOs here have any
Muslim staff members, a reflection of their
priorities, I suppose.

I think the events of 2002 have led to some sort of
change among the Muslims of Gujarat, and this would
impact on how NGOs could relate to them. There is now
a perceptible restlessness among many Muslims in
Gujarat, a realisation that they must act on their own
for their empowerment since they find themselves so
marginalised by the state and the Hindutva forces. One
reflection of this is the recent emergence of a number
of small groups of concerned Muslims, especially
youth, who are trying to work for the empowerment of
and reform in the community in their own ways. For
instance, there is this group of Muslim women in
Ahmedabad called Niswan or ???Women??™, with which I am
also associated, which is working to promote gender
awareness. There is another group of young Muslims in
Juhapura, the biggest Muslim ghetto in Ahmedabad, that
is working on the educational front.

These grassroots efforts need to be linked up to wider
struggles of other marginalised groups, such as
Dalits, Tribals, Backward Castes and factory contract
workers, to promote a political understanding of
poverty, communalism and so on. We in Action Aid are
also trying to do this. This is essential in order to
develop a progressive Muslim leadership that focuses
particularly on social, political and economic issues
confronting the community, instead of on simply
religious issues, which is what the traditional Muslim
leaders have generally been doing. This will enable
Muslims to participate in mainstream political action,
and to reverse the trend, aggressively promoted by the
Hindutva fascists and also by religious
fundamentalists within the Muslim community, to
perpetuate Muslim isolation, to cut Muslims off from
wider struggles for justice, secularism and democracy.

Q: Is Action Aid??™s engagement with Muslims in this way
limited just to Gujarat or is this happening in other
parts of India as well?

A: We want to promote an alliance of progressive
Muslims at the national level. The Gujarat experience
has made us feel the urgent need to start similar
sorts of engagement with Muslim groups elsewhere. Just
as Action Aid has for years been engaged with Dalits
and Tribals, we now think that it should also support
marginalised and poverty-stricken Muslim groups,
developing and strengthening Muslim leadership through
capacity building of Muslim youth, linking them up
with other progressive movements and groups and
strengthening non-party political processes for the
community??™s empowerment. It is really imperative for
groups committed to social justice to take the social,
economic and political concerns of Muslims seriously.
Typically, civil society groups that have sought to
build bridges with Muslims have worked through Muslim
religious leaders and organisations. Personally, I see
this as a very limited approach. Why must Muslims be
defined, as they are both by the Hindutva camp and by
Islamic religious groups, solely in religious terms?
When we deal with Dalits and Tribals we rarely refer
to religion but, instead, focus on their social,
economic and political concerns. Why can??™t we adopt
the same approach wit Muslims? I think we should keep
religion out of the picture. It should be treated as a
private issue. We should resist the tendency to see
all Muslim issues through the prism of religion, which
is how both Hindutva ideologues as well as doctrinaire
Islamists see them .We need to interact with Muslim
youth and women directly, instead of through maulvis
or Islamists as intermediaries. It simply is not true,
contrary to what some people imagine, that Muslims
cannot be mobilised on non-religious issues or that
they refuse to consider joining wider struggles or
efforts along with non-Muslims. We, through the Aman
Pathiks, have tried to approach Muslim youth directly
on secular issues and I must say that the reception
has been quite encouraging, not only from many Muslim
youth but also from some ???ulama, particularly some
among those associated with the Jamiat ul-???Ulama-i
Hind.

Q: How do you think the events of 2002 have impacted
on the Muslim leadership in Gujarat?

A: I think there is a growing realisation, at least
among some Muslims here, that we need a new set of
leaders, who can steer the community to focus on the
myriad social, economic, educational and political
problems afflicting the community, rather than harping
on religious or identity-related issues alone. It is
very obvious to me that doctrinaire Islamists are as
much a danger to the Muslims themselves as are
Hindutva groups. Islamists see everything in religious
and rigidly ideological terms, and so, not
surprisingly, have failed to take up the secular
concerns of the community. Hindutva and radical
Islamism feed on each other and must be both opposed
consistently. Both are equally opposed to secularism,
democracy and gender justice. I must add, however,
that the ???ulama are not a homogenous category. As
said earlier, in our work in Gujarat we have received
considerable support from several independent ???ulama
and some associated with the Jami???at ul-Ulama-i Hind,
many of whom are sincerely committed to Muslim welfare
and communal harmony.
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Zakia Jowher can be contacted on
zakia@...


 








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