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Subject: [India Thinkers Net]Dalits in Gujarat -interview - November14, 2005



From: yogi sikand <ysikand@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Nov 14, 2005
Subject: Dalits in Gujarat: Interview with Valjibhai Patel  


Valjibhai Patel, Director of the Ahmedabad-based
Council for Social Justice, is a noted lawyer and
Dalit activist. In this interview with Yoginder Sikand
he talks about his work and the Dalit movement in
Gujarat

Q: As one of the pioneers of the Dalit movement in
Gujarat and one of the few surviving leaders of the
Gujarat Dalit Panthers, how do you account for the
relative weakness of the movement in the state today?
A: Not only is the movement weak and fractured, it has
actually rapidly declined over the years, because of
the role of Hindutva forces as well Gandhians and the
Congress, all of whom represent different faces of
???upper??™ caste hegemony. Another cause is petty
politicking among Dalit leaders. Yet another factor is
the role of many NGOs, who, by pumping in money in the
name of Dalit welfare, have caused a widespread
de-politicisation of educated Dalit youth associated
with them and who, otherwise, could have been in the
forefront of radical Dalit politics.

The spirit of radicalism is now quite missing in Dalit
activist circles in Gujarat today. Most of our
so-called intellectuals really have no commitment to
our cause, and have become totally careerist. Dalit
organisations in Gujarat have, for the most part,
become the personal domain of different politicians
and political parties.

Q: In which way have NGOs contributed to the decline
of the Dalit movement in Gujarat?
A: I don??™t mean to generalise for all NGOs. A few of
them are seriously engaged with Dalits. But these are
exceptions, rather than the rule. My point is that the
Dalit movement should be led by Dalits, only then can
real transformation happen. But this many NGOs do not
wish to see occurring. They want to use Dalits as a
bait to get funds, from the government or abroad. They
offer us some token assistance and I don??™t know what
happens to the rest of the money they get in our name.
So our issues have been converted simply into projects
for them, and just as we are exploited by the ???upper??™
castes we are also exploited by many NGOs who are
exploiting our issues to get money from various donor
agencies. In this way, peoples??™ movements, including
the Dalit movement, face the risk of being completely
sabotaged. Crores of rupees are spent by NGOs every
year on what they call ???Dalit welfare??™ but the
situation of the Dalits has, in fact, worsened


Q: What sort of work is your organisation, the Council
for Social Justice (CSJ) engaged in?
A: The CSJ is an Ambedkarite organisation, and we see
that Dalits, Tribals and Muslims, who together account
for more than half of Gujarat??™s population, have
common problems and face similar sorts of oppression
and marginalisation. One of our main activities is
legal activism, working on issues related particularly
to these communities. We have taken up numerous cases
and have filed almost 80 public interest litigation
petitions in this regard. Besides this, we are working
to promote political awareness among the Dalits so
that they can struggle for their rights and against
oppression.

Q: It is said that Hindutva forces have managed to
make deep inroads among Dalits in Gujarat, using them
to attack Muslims, as in the recent genocide in
Gujarat. In this context, how do you see your efforts
in trying to focus on the common concerns of Dalits
and Muslims?

A: What you say is correct, to an extent, but this
should not be exaggerated. It is not that all Dalits
were complicit in the attacks or that they have been
entirely co-opted by the Hindutva forces or that they
have been completely Hinduised. This is not true. In
fact, most of the attacks on Muslims in 2002 were
engineered by ???upper??™ caste groups and elements and in
relatively few areas were Dalit involved. In many
places in Ahmedabad, the violence was led by migrants
from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. Because Gujarat is
relatively more prosperous, in recent years all sorts
of babas, bhagwans, sadhus and mullahs and even
criminals have been making their way from Uttar
Pradesh and Bihar to Gujarat and are known to be the
backbone of reactionary and obscurantist groups here,
Hindu and Muslim, including those that spread
communalism and violence. So that is another source of
conflict.

Dalits are being wrongly blamed for the attacks, in
order to give them a bad name and to perpetuate
conflict between Dalits and Muslims. Some NGOs have
also made this claim, either deliberately, to defame
the Dalits, or in ignorance, since many of them have
little or no grassroots experience. In rural areas
Dalits played little or no role in the attacks, which
were mainly done by the ???upper??™ castes. This is
because, in contrast to urban areas, in villages
Dalits have no civic rights, and their oppression at
the hands of the ???upper??™ caste Hindus is direct and
stark. So, few Dalits in the villages have supported
the Hindutva agenda since they see that main backers
of the Hindutva forces are their own immediate
oppressors. In those parts of rural Gujarat where
Dalits have some strength they supported and protected
Muslims, and in other parts, where they are simply
powerless, they remained silent but did not join the
???upper??™ castes in attacking Muslims. In several
villages, Dalits actually saved Muslim families. But
in urban areas the situation is different. Here the
exploitation of Dalits by ???upper??™ castes is generally
less direct or stark, so the Dalits, almost all of
whom are pathetically poor, can easily be used by
Hindutva groups to act as their foot-soldiers to
attack Muslims. Today, Hindutva forces are going out
of their way to woo the Dalits. This a major challenge
that the Dalit movement faces in Gujarat today, with
???upper??™ caste forces trying to pit Dalits against
Muslims so that Dalits cease to struggle for their
rights.

Yet, we are still continuing our work, taking up
various issues related to Dalits and Muslims and other
marginalised communities in Gujarat today. We set up
the CSJ soon after the anti-Muslim riots of 1992 in
the wake of the destruction of the Babri Masjid. We
tried to get Muslim leaders and community activists
also involved, but few of them showed any interest in
our agenda of Dalit-Muslim unity.

Q: Why was that?
A: I think this has much to do with the caste-class
nature of the Muslim political elites. It also has to
do with the fact that Dalits and Muslims have so many
problems of their own that they naturally give their
own issues topmost priority. Most Muslim leaders in
Gujarat are with the Congress, although the Congress
has done nothing for the Muslim community as such and,
from time to time, has even been complicit engineering
anti-Muslim riots, such as the massive anti-Muslim
pogrom of 1985-6. In fact, the Muslim middle-classes,
???educated??™ Muslims, have never supported the Dalit
movement and our demands such as reservations, and
have preferred to side with the ???upper??™ castes. This
is another major hurdle in the path of Dalit-Muslim
unity. Further, the maulvis, who exercise a very
powerful influence on many Muslims, are least
concerned about Dalits or any other community but
their own, and, if at all they think of us, it is
possibly only as objects of conversion, which most
Dalits are really not interested in.

Q: You mentioned earlier on that your organisation has
also filed some public interest litigation petitions
on issues concerning Muslims. Can you cite some
examples?

A: Our major focus is on Dalits, but since Muslims in
Gujarat are in much the same condition as the Dalits
today in being victimised by the state and ???upper??™
caste chauvinist forces, we have also taken up some
Muslim-related cases. In this we have worked together
with Muslim friends. For instance, in the Patan
district the Vishwa Hindu Parishad captured a Sufi
dargah and sought to convert it into a temple. The
local Patels attacked the Muslims there, but some
Dalit families rescued them and sent them safely to
Patan town. After this we filed a petition in the High
Court against those who had taken over the shrine.
Similarly, in 1998 the BJP government issued a
circular to the effect that the overseeing of
examinations, to prevent cheating, was to be given
over to private organisations, and it so happened that
almost all of these were RSS-related groups. So, we
filed a petition saying that this job was the duty of
the government and not of the RSS. The High Court
issued a notice and then government was forced to
withdraw its order. Another issue that we took up
related to the nefarious role of several Gujarati
newspapers in fanning hatred, spreading false rumours
and inciting Hindus to attack Muslims in 2002. The
most notorious of these papers was the ???Sandesh??™,
which is fanatically pro-Hindutva. We sent a complaint
against this paper to the Press Council of India and
filed a public interest litigation against it in the
High Court demanding that Sandesh be prosecuted. The
court admitted the petition and issued a notice but
the government did not take any action.

Q: Coming back to the question of Dalit-Muslim
relations in Gujarat, do you think the tensions
between the two are increasing or have they reduced or
what?
A: There is no inherent conflict between these two
communities. In the Walled City part of Ahmedabad and
in many other parts of urban Gujarat, Muslims and
Dalits live in the same or adjacent mohallas.
Traditionally, relations between Dalits and Muslims in
Ahmedabad have been fairly tension-free. Before 2002
of course there were minor disputes but these
generally did not take the form of major
confrontations. The violence of 2002 was not a
spontaneous thing. Rather, it was engineered by the
state government and the police, in league with
Hindutva forces. And lumpen elements, including some
Dalits in some places, joined in the attacks which
gave them a free license to loot under police
protection. Their participation in the attacks was
more due to the chance they got to loot, not really
because of any ideological commitment to the Hindutva
agenda. And then, looting wasn??™t done only or mostly
by Dalits. In Ahmedabad, posh Muslim-owned stores were
ransacked not by Dalits but by ???upper??™ caste people,
including women with bob-cuts and wearing jeans, but
why is it that this is never talked about? Another
point that should be considered is that in the wake of
the violence, some Dalits who had engaged in the
violence on the instigation of the RSS, were arrested
by the police, and then the RSS-walas went to the
prisons to have them released and so became ???heroes??™
and ???saviours??™ in their eyes. So there is this nexus
between the police and the RSS-walas that must be
highlighted.

In many places in Gujarat where Muslims and Dalits
continue to live together in the same localities
relations between them are fairly cordial. Some Dalits
may now be with Hindutva groups but this is more a
question of survival rather than acceptance of
Hindutva hate ideology or the Brahminism that Hindutva
groups actually espouse. But the repeated cycles of
violence in Gujarat have also led to migration of
Dalits from Muslim areas, as in parts of Ahmedabad??™s
Walled City. They disposed off their houses in
distress sales and shifted elsewhere because of
insecurity. The same thing has happened with Muslims
in areas where they were in a minority. So, the
Hindutva forces have succeeded now in geographically
dividing Muslims and Dalits, dividing them in order to
rule them.

Q: Dalit organisations, mainly led by retired or
serving government servants, have tended to focus
almost wholly on the question of reservations in
government services, which, while vital, concerns only
a small, educated section of the Dalits. What about
issues such as poverty and landlessness? Why have
these issues not received much attention?

A: This is obvious because many of these organisations
are essentially status quoits. Many of our educated
Dalits are what I call ???new Brahmins??™. They are happy
with their material comforts and have little or no
concern for the plight of their fellow Dalits. They
are also vociferously anti-Marxist and so seem to be
allergic to any talk of economic, as opposed to social
or religious, oppression, although these different
types of oppression cannot be separated from each
other. Some of them try to hide their Dalit identity
and think they can in this way be accepted by the
???upper??™ castes, but this is impossible. Even if they
rise up economically they still remain ???low??™ castes
for the ???upper??™ caste Hindus, which explains why it is
almost impossible for even an educated and wealthy
Dalit to get a flat on rent in any Brahmin or Bania
residential society in any Gujarati city. A large
section of the Dalit middle-class simply wants to
climb up within the existing system rather than
breaking it down to build a new one. Many of them also
want to preserve their own status within the Dalit
community as ???leaders??™, so they have a vested interest
in not taking up issues other than reservations,
issues which concern the Dalit masses. Yes, I agree
that reservations for the Dalits are a must, but in
Gujarat, where Dalits have 7% reserved seats in
government jobs only 2% have been filled.

I do not believe that Dalits can really get their due
through the present system as it exists, so heavily
loaded against Dalits is it, but still we need to use
whatever democratic spaces that exist. But the
struggle has to continue at the broader, political
front, which we are also trying to do. To strengthen
the Dalit movement we should move beyond simple
ritualistic obeisance to Babasaheb Ambedkar or simply
taking about reservations alone and also take up
issues related to land, poverty, communalism and the
neo-liberal economic policies that, under the garb of
???globalisation??™ and led by imperialist countries and
their Indian ???upper??™ caste/class agents, are playing
havoc with the livelihood and cultures of millions of
Dalit families in India, leading to massive
impoverishment.

Few Dalit groups in Gujarat talk about the burning
question of Dalit landlessness, although most Dalits
continue to live in villages, where land is the most
important issue. Even today, under Modi??™s so-called
Hindu Raj, most Dalits live as landless labourers or
own very small and uneconomic plots. Under the
Agricultural Land Ceiling Act surplus lands were to be
given to Dalits and Adivasis. Some 12,700 acres of
land have been distributed to them but this is only on
paper. According to the government records the Dalits
and Adivasis own this land but in most cases they
actually do not have possession of it. However,
because it is in their name they have to pay taxes to
continue their nominal ownership because according to
the law if you don??™t cultivate the land you possess
for three consecutive years the government can take it
over. And when, as happened some years ago in
Dhrangadhra, when Dalits try to get possession of
these lands they are violently attacked. One of the
major sources our marginalisation is the fact that we
do not possess land, because of which we are fully
dependent on the whims of the ???upper??™ castes, who own
the lands and businesses and can institute a complete
boycott of the Dalits the moment we start demanding
our rights. So, perhaps we need to seriously consider
Babasaheb Ambedkar??™s suggestion of separate Dalit
settlements.

Another issue that is sorely neglected is that of
atrocities against Dalits, which are rampant and
widespread in Modi??™s ???Hindu Raj??™. We have published a
leaflet titled ???Chargesheet Against Government of
Gujarat for Non-Implementation of Atrocities Act
1989??™, based on research of some 400 judgments of
cases related to atrocities on Dalits in 14 districts
of Gujarat. We found that in 95% of the cases there is
acquittal due to negligence and hostile role of
government pleaders. In most of the remaining 5% cases
the accused are punished under provisions of the
Indian Penal Code and are acquitted under the SC/ST
Prevention of Atrocities Act. In many cases severe
strictures are passed by courts and directions are
issued for action against erring officials for
negligence in cases of atrocities on Dalits and
Adivasis, but instead of taking any action against
them they are rewarded with promotions. In addition,
Dalit and Adivasi government employees are regularly
charge-sheeted on false and fabricated charges to
stall their promotions. We made several
representations to the Gujarat government in this
regard but no action has been taken. The government
has not filled up the numerous posts for Dalits that
are still lying vacant. Even in the SC Welfare
Department of the Gujarat government, which is meant
to be the apex government department working for
Dalits, there are many such vacant posts. For
instance, the Department has been sanctioned 23 PSI
class III officers, but only 2 posts have been filled
up. While there are meant to be 185 Inspector Class
III officers there are only 83. In the Junior
inspector Class III grade there are supposed to be 40
posts but only 17 have been filled up.

All said, the situation in Gujarat, as far as Dalits
are concerned, is very depressing. The only way out is
struggle against caste/class oppression, uniting with
other marginalised communities and sections of the
Left that recognise the salience of the caste
question. But, as far as I know, that is not really
happening.
========================================

Valjibhai Patel can be contacted on the following
address:

Valjibhai Patel
Centre for Social Justice
258, C Block
2nd Floor
Premier Shopping Centre
Near Ahmedabad Rural Court
Mirzapur Road
Ahmedabad-380001
Gujarat

 








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